Posted by: purpleslog | August 23, 2007

Found on Wikipedia: “The Dulles Plan”

From Wikipedia:

Since the early 1990s, anti-Western media in Russia have referred to the so-called Dulles plan (Russian: план Даллеса). It is the text (in Russian) of a secret plan to destroy the USSR through the ideological manipulation of the Soviet population and the corruption of its morals. The source of this text is unknown. It is reported to have been his speech to the US Congress made in 1945 or a passage from his book published in 1945 or 1953. There are no known speeches or writings of Dulles that contain this plan. Interestingly, this text almost literally coincides with the words spoken by a character in The Eternal Call (Russian: Вечный зов), a novel by Anatoly Ivanov published in 1971-1976.

I was unable to find any other web references to this via google, and I am too lazy to check any further.

So, is this just an example of Russian Paranoia? Denial by aging-Reds and/or retro-Reds?

Or is it from ripples (or shadows cast) of a long forgotten and well concealed proto-5GW?

[Cross Posted to Dreaming 5GW]

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“Dulles’ plan” is a forgery by Russian Propaganda machine. Interesting, many Russian believe it exists.

Based on so called “Dulles’ plan” “facts” Russian TV channel RENTV in April 2008 created and aired in in the prime-time 50 minute TV “documentary” of the title “USSR: Ordered to Destoy” (Russian - “СССР - приказано уничтожить”.

Dulles’ plan became a tool of anti-American propaganda that is on the rise in Russia.

By: Gery Jones on April 27, 2008
at 2:48 am

I’m from Russia.

You just make a great mistake talking about “Russian Paranoia”. I suggest Dulles’ Plan doesn’t exist on paper, but what is happening in Russia is a direct implementation of this “imaginary” plan.

And don’t you see in USA happens the same? There were two great states in the world. USSR was destroyed, now USA is being destroyed. Coca-cola, McDonalds, dull movies, etc. are spreading all over the world and corrupt people.

USSR was showed to capitalistic world as an absolute evil. Now image of USA in the rest of the world is being created in the same manner.

In Russia most people think USA is evil, just as in USA people thought USSR was shit

in this post i can’t explain you everything, moreover i don’t like writing

By: Sasha on May 9, 2008
at 4:51 pm

Sasha,

First thatnk you for commenting and writing in English. It is much appreciated.

“…just as in USA people thought USSR was shit…”

Well we thought the system was. It was wasting away the potential of most Russians. Most of us where happy for the Russian and the opportunity they had when the CP lost power. It seems that the opportunity has been wasted and Russian are turning to a oil-fueled authoritarian regime again.

“Now image of USA in the rest of the world is being created in the same manner.”

Who do you think might be behind this? Or is it a natural reaction of peoples against powerful states?

By: purpleslog on May 10, 2008
at 6:13 pm

purpleslog!

As I said I never write in blogs (or what is it) but this subject is somewhat interesting to me.
So I’ll try to explain what I know (which might be wrong)

“Who do you think might be behind this? Or is it a natural reaction of peoples against powerful states?”

As far as I know there is a group of people standing behind this (probably those are several the most rich clans of the world, who control banking system). And they just use “natural reaction of people” against unwanted states. They also might be responsible for several events (such as September,11 which is commonly believed to be conspiracy of intelligence, your government, or just Osama bin Laden act, etc.) and it can be clearly explained

The main idea of them is well-known Roman formula: “divide and rule”.
Let’s call these people “global mafia”.

Imagine we’re that global mafia. We see: there are two great states (USSR and USA) and they are out of our control (but they have many resources and potentials). We don’t like such a situation and first we create negative image of USSR in the world and successively destroy this state. Since the rest of the world believe USSR to be evil no one regret about its failing. Now the same is happening to USA.

Let’s see: USA can influence other world if dollar is strong. But recently they created euro, which is now becoming stronger. (35 rub = 1 euro; 23 rub = 1$, rub is russian currency, I hope you know).
The War in Iraq and other USA’s problems with Islamic world make image of your country worse, and it’s just made by hands of Bush and other politicians who don’t understand they are instruments in skillful hands.

Really, i can and want to say more but it’s a topic of long discussion (or maybe this site is actually intended for these discussions?)

My reasoning might look not clear (or “might not look clear” :)) because it’s only a few facts of the whole idea.
I listened to the series of lectures about what in Russian is called “глобальная политика” (direct translation - “global politics”). And also my English may cause problems in understanding what I want to say.

If you want more maybe I’ll be able to explain in detail.

As for “Russian are turning to a oil-fueled authoritarian regime again” - we don’t like it themselves (i mean ordinary people). It seems our government try to leave this way, but really it’s a problem

By: Sasha on May 12, 2008
at 3:46 pm

My goodness!! I wrote so much!

By: Sasha on May 12, 2008
at 3:48 pm

In Russia most people think USA is evil, just as in USA people thought USSR was shit

Not exactly. The CPUSA, Communist Party of USA, thought differently and so did various other organizations and leaders here in the US.

By: ymarsakar on May 12, 2008
at 8:20 pm

Sasha,

Thanks for responding.

“They also might be responsible for several events (such as September,11 which is commonly believed to be conspiracy of intelligence, your government, or just Osama bin Laden act, etc.) and it can be clearly explained”

This belief is not really common. Most people believing that way in the US are not considered serious. They have an over sized presence on the internet though.

“Really, i can and want to say more but it’s a topic of long discussion (or maybe this site is actually intended for these discussions?)”

Yes, this is the a purpose of this site.

I don’t speak or read Russian so all of my info is second hand.

“Imagine we’re that global mafia…”

I see know evidence of an existence of a puppet master global mafia who with the power to bring down the Soviet Union and who is now turned its eye to the USA.

The Soviet Union was doomed to fail do waste of physical and human capital as long as the United States and the west could keep up containment because a central planned economy can NEVER be as efficient as a free market economy.

The US was able to put in place a series of institutions and international rule-sets that enabled the containment strategy to run almost on auto-pilot from 1947 until the fall of the Soviet Union.

The Soviets never had a chance with a central planned economy (Socialism) against “Containment” + “US Economic Power”.

The possibility of forcing the west with nuclear weapons was effectively deterred by the US Nuclear forces. Any nuclear attack on the US was have meant the atomic destruction of the peoples of the Soviet Union. The US was pretty sure the Soviets would not strike first because down deep we believed (correctly) the Russian loved their children as much as we loved our children.

No puppet master global mafia is needed to explain any of this.

By: purpleslog on May 12, 2008
at 9:33 pm

The Soviets tried to stop the brain drain and the people going to the West. They couldn’t do that and maintain socialism inside their borders at the same time, while the US outside got richer and better.

At some point, something was going to give.

Either the Soviets had to let the borders open, which would really put a number on the KGB and internal police actions, or they had to reform their economy. It seemed that when the Soviets let some slack in the system, Poland and other Soviet satellite states went rebellious.

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/das-hillery-in-bunker.html

Btw, that’s a pretty funny clip you should see, Purple.

PS.

Many young people, specifically young blacks in Democrat urban regions (like Cynthia McKinney’s ddistrict) will spout off constantly about 9/11 being engineered by Bush.

By: ymarsakar on May 13, 2008
at 1:01 am

The Soviets had an interesting strategy where they would undermine the West from the inside out using non-kinetic psychological and propaganda principles.

A people that are convinced their system is the worst in the world, won’t fight for it and sure as heck won’t nuke anybody to defend it.

By: ymarsakar on May 13, 2008
at 1:13 am

purpleslog!
You’re right saying “No puppet master global mafia is needed to explain any of this.” But at the same time you’re not right :)
I’ll try to make it more clear later if you don’t mind.

Still the subject of your first post was Dulles’ Plan.
I’ll send you on mail English Version of the next document.
//
US NSC (National Security Council) directive 20/1 August,18 1948

Thomas H. Etzold and John Lewis Gaddis, eds.,
Containment: Documents on American Policy and Strategy,
1945-1950
NSC 20/1 (pages 173-203)
//
It’s a scanned document. Looks like real. They say it’s real historical document.

So-called Dulles’ Plan hasn’t any original version except Russian translation. Indeed it’s just a fragment of the novel of Soviet writer Anatoly Ivanov “Vechny Zov” (Анатолий Иванов, “Вечный зов”).

It’s up to you to decide what is true.

By: Sasha on May 13, 2008
at 1:58 pm

Ym…there is a book written by ex-KGB on the success of the Soviet Active Measures: “The World Was Going Our Way” that is worth reading.

“A people that are convinced their system is the worst in the world, won’t fight for it and sure as heck won’t nuke anybody to defend it.”

That is why the 1947ers anti-Soviet 5GW was so important…it continued to run even without full year-to-year support of current leaders and populations.

Cynthia McKinney is a nut job and an embarrassment to me as a US citizen.

Sasha: I have the docs and will read them over in the next few days.

By: purpleslog on May 13, 2008
at 11:06 pm

To Sasha:

> I suggest Dulles’ Plan doesn’t exist on paper,

Yes, it has been proven to be a KGB propaganda tool.

Kremling polotitians, who work hard to creat an illusion of the Russian Nation” and “Russian Spirit” are bringing all the dirt back to live.

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlV_qKbrNs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Welsh_Dulles

Here is a source of “Dulles’ Plan”:

http://lib.aldebaran.ru/author/ivanov_anatolii/ivanov_anatolii_vechnyi_zov_tom_ii/

After all, nobady’s forcing young Russians to soot dope, to dress llike niggers and to sing dirty songs. That is what they ENJOY doing.

> In Russia most people think USA is evil

Boolshit. They are olny some brain washed teenagers in Moscow and few big towns who think - it is cool to hate America. Give them US visas - they will jump the plain, fighting for seats.

By: JM on May 14, 2008
at 3:09 pm

Exclusively to JM:
“They are olny some brain washed teenagers in Moscow and few big towns who think - it is cool to hate America.”

Also, there are only some “brain washed” bedouins from Iraq, a couple of Yugoslavs, several Vietnamese, some Japanese, a few American Indians think in the same way, huh? And they all ready to take the plain to US!

By: Sasha on May 15, 2008
at 2:57 am

purpleslog, what about docs I sent you? Is it fake? What’s it all about?

By: Sasha on May 20, 2008
at 10:41 am

Sasha…sorry I have been working on something else. I will get to the material in a few days and comment upon it. Thanks!

By: purpleslog on May 21, 2008
at 4:48 pm

@ jm

… to dress llike niggers and to sing dirty songs …

you are sounds as a racist, and that ist, why many poeple on the world do think so about your country!

RACISM, arrogance, killing other nations (for example indians), no democracy …

By: vic on June 13, 2008
at 3:32 pm

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