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    USA version 3?

    TDAXP has a post suggesting that Mexico (each Mexican state and the special Federal district as 32 new US states) join the USA:

    America is a “melting pot,” in which cultures cannot be kept distinct and separate.

    and

    America (the United States of America) and Mexico (the Mexican United States) were both conceived as multinational economic and political unions, no less than the European Union. Growth, expansion, and geographic union are in the DNAs of our Unions. With different Constitutions and different political traditions, the USA and MUS were born as complex adaptive systems — pragmatic attempts to create liberty and happiness for the North American people.

    and

    Combine the American United States and United States of Mexico into one political union under the US Constitution. Our way works — that’s why Mexicans are coming here — so why not export our rules over there?

    Also reader Taylor has this comment:

    I have always said, if the United States wishes to become the first empire not to fall, they would have to make everyone around the entire planet American.

    I can definitely see some logic to this plan. If integration between Mexico and America is happening anyways, why not embrace it and veer it toward an outcome that Americans like me can be ok with?

    My concerns with it revolve around maintaining the nature of the current American Identity, which I define as having these driving forces (I may to think on this some more):

    • Liberty/freedom as driving secular religion
    • Democratic capitalism as driving political philosophy
    • Equality of opportunity (not equality of outcome) meritocracy
    • Predictable legal system
    • Transparent republican government at all levels
    • Colonial and Anglosphere heritage/history
    • English language
    • Security Independence and Preeminence

    I do not suggest that the above are universal values of each culture. I suggest they should be.

    Note it doesn’t include: arts, theology, or specific ethnic heritages.

    Dan TXDAP says in the comments:

    “…that over the long term english would predominitate as it is the “the language of opportunity”.

    That covers some of my concern on a large influx of non-English speaking American citizens.

    As Taylor would describe, I am an American Chauvinist. I do want to have to everyone around the entire planet American (in the sense of having the driving forces I listed above).

    When the earth is all American, the Democratic Peace concept suggests the earth will be for the most part peaceful. The US will loose economic preeminence, but that is okay. Conflict among nations will be in the nature of sporting events, theatre entertainment, and Earth Idol (not war and conquest). That is quite a ways off.

    What is being proposed here is USA version 3.

    USA version 1 was Colonial era through Civil War (USA as nation-state confederation)

    USA v2 was Reconstruction through the present (USA as strong federal Nation-State).

    USA v3 could be: USAv2 + Mexico as a Market-State (ref1, ref2) (note to self: that concept needs a Wikipedia entry). This is only one possible USAv3.

    A competing potential USAv3 would be a USA that embraces Transnational Progressivism (ref1, ref2, ref3, ref4) / Folk Marxism. That is not the USA I want.

    The roadblocks to a preferred USAv3 outcome are:

    • corruption / imaturity of mexican institutions and rule-sets
    • integration of Police forces, armed forces, and intelligence services
    • home grown insurgencies in southern Mexico
    • how many Mexicans want to integrate with USA vs. reconquer?
    • Language preferences
    • Creating a shared historical identity for celebration

    I am sure there are more, but that is what I am thinking of off-hand.

    It might make sense for USAv2 to take certain actions pre-USAv3 to start paving the way:

    • US Constitution changes to add super-majority for spending bills, term limits for Congress and Supreme Court, sunset provisions required for all legislation, and a line-item veto of sorts (really just to beak out legislative bundles for veto purposes)
    • SysAdmin services to Mexico for improve institutions
    • US Training exercises for Mexican armed forces, intelligence services and police forces
    • Real campaign finance reform (only natural persons can contribute, only to their districts, instant transparent reporting for press vetting)
    • Move Mexico away from Castro and Chavez

    Update: I left this comment to the TDAXP post (trackbacks are having a problem):

    I can definitely see some logic to this plan. If integration between Mexico and America is happening anyways, why not embrace it and veer it toward an outcome that Americans like me can be ok with?

    What is being proposed here is USA version 3. USA version 1 was Colonial era through Civil War (USA as nation-state confederation). USA v2 was Reconstruction through the present (USA as strong federal Nation-State). USA v3 could be: USAv2 + Mexico as a Market-State.

    My concerns with it revolve around maintaining the nature of the current American Identity (I am an American chauvinist) and corruption / immaturity / incompatibility of Mexican institutions and rules-sets (time for an inter-american SysAdmin force and an application of domestic PNM theory), and lastly the Reconquista / Mexica / Aztlan mindset (USAv3 as 5GW effort by the Mexica/Aztlan movements).

    6 Responses

    1. I like your post, so I’ll just focus on one part of it. (Hard to keep saying “I agree!” otherwise 😉 )

      Regarding the Spanish language and assimilation, this is another reason to make free movement of people as quick and rapid as possible (if you want the best of American culture triumphant).

      There’s more to language adoption than financial opportunity. Within any context, the most popular language becomes the dominant language. Even in areas were a sub-population is fluent in some other language, as long as the populations are interacting somewhat randomly there will be more opportunities to use the larger language in daily life, and it will be this tongue that succeeds.

      This ties into Global Brain, which I reviewed on my blog. In an adaptive complex system, the popular get more popular and the unpopular get less popular. Or as Christ says

      For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

      Whether in southern France or the Midwest US, this takes about three generations. Minority language fluency falls from general use, to special occasion use, to phrases and songs use, to disuse. I’ve seen this happen with the German branch of my family, where my great-grandmother (I’ve heared) could hold conversations, my grandmother could attend traditional church and read Luther, and mom can sing songs, and I… I know my “Mein Hut, der hat drei Ecken, Drei Ecken hat mein Hut.”

      We can do the same thing to Spanish. Let’s get going.

    2. Ideologies and USAv3

      Econlog has a post that links to the article on TCS entitled Tribal Politics that is about immigration.
      In it, Arnold Kling lays-out competing ideologies/systems:
      Transnational Libertarianism

      individual rights based
      no economic borders
      locally focused…

    3. […] Instapundit links to himself and spreads the TDAXP meme of USA+Mexico=USA (which I call USAv3): So maybe we've been thinking about this the wrong way. Instead of worrying about Mexicans invading America, maybe what we need is for the United States to annex Mexico. […]

    4. […] This should server partially as a sanity check for a USAv3 (MUS joins with the USA) idea that I and others have gotten interested in. […]

    5. […] The correct way to fight Mexitude long-term is to annex Mexico and create USAv3: Expand the USA south, not the MUS north. […]

    6. […] I am okay with this this. I think the biggest bang comes from brining in Mexico. […]

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