I like this 5GW Definition Tweet

5GW is like boiling a frog slowly in a crowd. The frog doesn’t notice until it is too late & nobody in the crowd sees the subtle chef. [Source – Purpleslog on Twitter]

5GW Thinking Snippet from Nikita Khrushchev

From the The Wednesday Report:

Nikita Khrushchev once said, “We cannot expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism until they awaken one day to find they have Communism”.

That sounds familiar.

“We Are 5GW”

This comment from Shloky (and Lexington Green’s reply) had me laughing in a good way.

Funny turn of phrase aside, there is a nugget of wisdom regarding what may have been the true value of the GMW.

Recent Fifth Generation Warfare (5GW) Stuff on the Internet

TDAXP is taking the lead with a souvenir edition of the Dreaming 5GW PoV on 5GW theory by calling for chapter ideas and submissions for a 5GW Book. This is a great idea (and overdue). I hope CGW can be coaxed into participating. MY suggestions are here.

Glenn Anderson has a posting on Making Meme Stick which is apropos to Memetic Engineering. He lays out a simple framework to follow.

FeralJundi.com has a posting “Building Snowmobiles: Fifth Generation Warfare Blogs“. Welcome to the fun house FJ.

The Committee of Public Safety had a post entitled “The Tactical Loop“, which while not about 5GW directly, may be of interest those people looking into 5GW.

Zen was the first place I saw it (and it has a good discussion) –  LTC Coer has a 5GW article. Ubiware posts related to the Quantum Theory of War. Blosint comments on it here. TDAXP has also commented with “Redefining 5GW, again” in response to that Marine Corp Gazette article and Danger Room which has a good discussion. Especially noteworthy is Greg McDowall bringing up “fractal war” with “possibility of using elements of each generation, sort of like a grand strategic version of combined arms” which has me thinking, and Seerov (who should consider getting his own blog) with this great comment on why XGW and not Lind’s GMW:

Perhaps the political goals shouldn’t matter in the classification? The tactics and strategy will determine what generation/gradient it is, regardless of political goals. I see no reason why a group can’t use 4GW and try to seize a State?

At the same time, its very unlikely that a non-State actor would use 1,2,or 3 GW, as most non-state actors don’t have the resources for this kind of war. So in determining whether a force is conducting 4GW or not, we should NOT focus on the end state, only on the methods.

Some of you may have read “Unrestricted Warfare.” Its a book dealing with China’s plan to use 4GW/5GW to “destroy the US.” The book lays out how a State can use 4GW/5GW (although they don’t call it 5WG, in fact I think this was before anyone coined the term GW?) to to win wars for the State.

So bottom line: Anyone can use any form/generation/gradient of war they believe will achieve them their goals. It doesn’t matter if they’re a State, or non-State. It doesn’t matter what their goals are. It only matters how they fight. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t care what their gaols are, only that it doesn’t matter in determining what “generation/gradient their using.

So this is how we should think about a war:

1) Realize you’re in war (this is most difficult in 5GW). This may happen after an attack?

2) After determining that you’re in a war, take security measures so as to not take anymore damage.

3) Determine who and what your enemy is trying to accomplish.

4) Determine how they’re trying to accomplish their objectives. It is at this point when you determine what GW they’re using on you. They may be using a combination.

The US is good at beating actors who use 1,2,3 GW. We’re learning how to beat 4GW in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its important that we think about what people are calling “5GW” so that we recognize it, and understand how to beat it/defend against it.

And that’s where we’re at now.

Adam Elkus at Rethinking Security has two post of interest on 4GW/GMW and a little 5GW. In first The Crisis of 4GW he writes that future success 4GW and 5GW may be overstated:

A common definition of 5GW–as well as real world case studies–remains out of reach. And the price for moving towards a non-state paradigm of war has been the overestimation of the insurgent’s power and an automatic assumption of the network’s vitality against the hierarchy.
5GW is so vague that it may be impossible to salvage. That being said, there are elements from it that were certainly of theoretical value to conceptions of propaganda, politics, and future conflict that should not be thrown out with the bathwater.

Though Adam seems to have come out against 5GW Theory in the comments:

SE, this isn’t a postmortem, just a recognition of a problem. It is, however, a postmortem of 5GW


His second post is More thoughts on 4GW.

Phil at Amicable Collisions has a rich roundup called “A Generational Warfare Miscellany“.

Sam at Seli briefly discusses 5GW as port of his post “Generation warfare a cohesive explanatory model“:

Fifth generation warfare is about the melding of different aspects of DIME (within this discussion) within the society. When an adversary engages from fifth generation the military through civilian population can be very much the same. The DIME model overlaps more and more until it is nearly one overlapping set. That is an oversimplified explanation but is also why I chose to narrow the aspect of the differing generations. It depicts how that fifth generation of warfare begins to emerge into the spectrum regardless of whether it is high intensity conflict or low intensity conflict. That increasing overlap also means, if we accept the earlier point, information operations takes on enhanced roles within conflict fifth generation warfare. I am sure there are aspects that I am missing.

Arherring’s comment on the Seli Post is noted as:

There are a few basic premises that I think have to be included in any framework that attempts to differentiate between methods/doctrines/types/generations/gradients of warfare.

1) There must be an internally consistent progression of effectiveness displayed in the framework. For every type of warfare there is at least one corresponding type of warfare that exists to offset it. It may not yet exist or yet have a theoretical definition, but it must be able to exist and be able to be expressed as a continuum in the framework.

2) The types of warfare must be able to be expressed on any type of battlefield.

(This is where I think your cyberwarfare should fit. Be it manuever or attrition of information the doctrines should apply even to electronic battlefields)

3) The framework must express an ability to both categorize types of warfare in order to determine the position of a type of warfare on a continuum, and suggest the appropriate response to a type of warfare by showing the counter to the type of warfare an opponent is employing.

4) Each type of warfare in the framework must be able to be clearly defined at each level of employment be it tactical, operational, strategic or grand strategic yet be consistent in the method in which it is employed. Also, different types of warfare must be able to co-exist at each of these levels.

The Generations of Modern Warfare (GMW) developed by Bill Lind does not meet any of these criteria. However, X Gradient Warfare (XGW) does and your excellent diagram could be a very convincing way of displaying an XGW-like framework.

I like your definition of Fifth Generation warfare and I agree that information operations will have a prominent role, indeed the key role in its application. It is the ability to present ideas in context to that is the heart of 5GW as I imagine it.

David Axe has an article on 5GW that is covered at Soob. I think this is the David Axe article. He seems to be implicitly defining 5GW as sort of Robb’s Global Guerrillas concept. A good discussion follows at ZenPundit on why this isn’t 5GW and on the whole meta-debate in general.

Coming Anarchy’s Younghusband has a post on visualization of XGW as a step to eventually improve XGW. I like his idea of going back to Boyd’s trio of Attrition Warfare, Maneuver Conflict, and Moral Conflict. The question is, can a visualization that includes room for 0GW and and 5GW (and perhaps other things not thought of yet) in that type of visualization?

The Committee of Public Safety also has some neat visualizations going.I really like the axis the information power vs Kinetic power axis as opposed to a  Kinetics vs non-kinetic or kinetic vs. dispersed kinetics idea.

Crossed Crocodiles uses the term 5GW in the context of Somalia and the “vortex of violence”. He seems to be equating 5GW with Nation-building or perhaps just as non-kinetic war.

I briefly blogged on Sharia Finance as a 5GW tactic. There have been a lot of posting on this.

In this draft post I try to re-tell post-cold war history as the history of three overlapping 5GW efforts and is partially responsible for how I consider the that the default American PoV has become a leftists PoV. I am still working on (I misplaced my handwritten notes).

Bob Morris of blog “Politics in the Zeroes” sticks his  toe into the 5GW water with two posts.

Cross-posted to Dreaming 5GW.

My Suggestion for chapters for Fifth Generation Warfare (5GW) book

TDAXP is calling for chapter ideas and submissions for a 5GW Book (a souvenir edition) of the Dreaming 5GW PoV on Fifth Generation Warfare (5GW) theory .

Here are my suggestions for an overview:

  • Forward by TBD
  • What is Fifth Generation Warfare (5GW): Our Point of View (PoV)
  • The Genesis of this PoV
  • XGW, not Lind’s GMW
  • Properties of 5GW
  • Visualizing XGW
  • Actors and 5GW
  • Styles, Kinds, Types, and Organizations
  • Historical (Possible) Examples
  • 5GW in Fiction (books, movies and TV)
  • Possible Current 5GW
  • Preparing for 5GW
  • Defend against 5GW
  • Doing 5GW
  • Clausewitz, Sun-Tsu, Boyd, and 5GW
  • Survey of Opposing Views to this PoV
  • The Other 5GWs: Survey of other uses of the Term
  • Future Directions, Questions, and the Way Forward

I would be willing to write, co-write of contribute to any of these (except the Forward).

Recent 5GW related links of (maybe) interest

Soob’s – “The Ultimate 5GW? Holding a Foreign Economy Under the Knife by Manipulating the Resource Demand of our Own”

Mountain Runner’s “The Spectrum of War and Peace and the Role of Public Diplomacy”

Where Are the Shadowy Criminal Masterminds?

Citizen Warrior’s “The Terrifying Brilliance of the Islamic Memeplex

PDF: Mind War

Volconvo’s “Search Term: Fifth Generation Warfare”

William Ayers’ forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

Gathering Storm’s “Taking the Jihad Temperature – A Gathering Storm Special Series – INFILTRATION Part 2 “:

The Islamists are boiling our frog and though this blog and hundreds like it record almost daily the rise in the Jihad temperature, unless we see how far and fast the temperature has risen, we will not know how far along our boiling has progressed.

Tech Dirt’s “Books Are The Souvenir Edition For Your Idea” – The article is not about 5GW, but the idea is something we 5GW bloggers should consider doing.

And from me:

The Weatherman: “they estimated that they’d have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers…”

Some stray 5GW thought

Found Buried Draft Post from April 2007: “Entrepreneurial Public Diplomacy” as 5GW

(Cross-posted to Dreaming 5GW)

The Weatherman: “they estimated that they’d have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers…”

Read about it here at Dr. Sanity.

Some “fun” parts:

Most of the people that had no prior experience, let’s say the average Weatherman, if there is such a thing, they were sent to Cuba for training in Cuba.
Grathwohl: I brought up the subject of what’s going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, “Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can’t re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?” And the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they’d have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

Ayres and his ilk haven’t given up on a Communist takeover of the USA. They have just switched from a Guerrilla/4GW approach to an Institutional/Infiltration (5GW) approach.

For the election 2008, the questions are: Is Obama an active 5GWer, just a 5GW Prawn, or its this all coincidental?


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